Alex
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Post by Alex on Oct 10, 2007 9:23:30 GMT
Despite this forums lack of activity, I'm amazed that nobodies mentioned this before. With the new legislation coming into force regarding the keeping of European species, I'm wondering how it will affect you? Is anyone getting in touch with Natural England/DEFRA to see where they stand with the new legislation?. As the majority of posters on here keep an European herptile or 2, I'm wondering what everyones plan of action will be?. I keep many European species, and the majority are captive bred (many by myself) but I have no way of proving this, therefore it appears that the hundreds of animals I keep will be destroyed. This is NOT right in my eyes.... Been a while since we had any sort of lively discussion, I hope this kick starts some  |
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morbid
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Post by morbid on Oct 10, 2007 10:15:54 GMT
We have the same regulations in Sweden..
I, however, do have papers on my animals. Here we have to be able to prove that the young ones I offer for sale are 3:rd generation captivebred.
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Alex
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Post by Alex on Oct 11, 2007 12:17:44 GMT
Cheers Morbid, obviously this rule is already in force in your country but I'm not sure many people in England are treating this seriously. What next? Ban African/American/Asian animals?
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Alex
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Post by Alex on Oct 11, 2007 18:47:53 GMT
Well it seems plenty have read this, but no one appears to give a shit - is it me or is this forum dead?. If not, it surely will be once the majority of species kept in UK outdoor vivaria are banned or lost in the trade.
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robv
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Post by robv on Oct 12, 2007 11:45:32 GMT
Hi Alex,
Do you have a link to the legislative documents? Its news to me and I keep 9 different species of European lacertid, so I am very keen to understand more. All of my animals are captive bred with the relevant certification from the breeders.
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morbid
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Post by morbid on Oct 13, 2007 9:52:42 GMT
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Post by mark68 on Oct 16, 2007 17:25:56 GMT
This IS a very important thread and we should all be concerned. From what I have heard keepers will be safe if they can provide some sort of document from the original breeder that supplied you with the animals that the parents they have used (to produce the young they sold you) were themselves captive bred. One problem I face is that some animals I have go back many generations and the original stock were bought when I didn't know I would need breeders certificates 8 years or more later ! All I can suggest is that other keepers that you know and trust maybe able to help provide certs for you. Do I need to spell this out ? I have no idea if DEFRA will ever try to "police" any legislation, i doubt it, but we should at least all make sure we get breeders certificates with any new animals we obtain.
Alex thanks for raising this, and I will be in touch soon with an apology !
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robv
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Post by robv on Oct 16, 2007 19:31:59 GMT
Miqe - thanks for the links, and having looked at this I think Mark is spot on in terms of the paperwork. I am relatively new to the outdoor world, but I have breeder certificates for every species I keep and assumed that this had always been the case with European animals.
I hope the forum is a bit livelier as a result of your post Alex; there is a wealth of extremely valuable information discussed here.
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morbid
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Post by morbid on Oct 18, 2007 13:57:30 GMT
robv: No sweat..
In Sweden, the rule is... If I have an animal, that I had for many years I will have problems proving that it is CB animals generation 2 (F2), right.
Therefor the Sweding gouvernment have stated that, if I know a person that can sign a document telling that I owned the animal/s before December 1 1999 it is assumed that they are CB´s, and I can keep them. The person have to know me, and it is a good idea if the person is in a herpetological association that the gouvernment recognise.
One paper I have, is a reciept form a importer in Denmark, dated back in 1998. Hopefully it will be enough proof. I have not tried it against the gouvernment yet.. But I will this spring.
I have a special permission that enables me to deal / handle / transport all species marked with "n" or "N" in EG 338/97. Where "n" meaning species living naturally in Sweden, and "N" meaning species living in the nature in Europe. You might have other markings than "n" and "N", I don´t know..
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Alex
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Post by Alex on Dec 23, 2007 16:18:18 GMT
No problems Mark I wonder if anyones been 'done' yet for keeping EPS in the UK without a licence?. |
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Post by Killian on Dec 28, 2007 10:48:30 GMT
Dont you think all this red tape and legislation is getting a bit out of hand?
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Alex
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Post by Alex on Feb 3, 2008 12:00:37 GMT
Yes!
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