robv
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Post by robv on Oct 22, 2009 13:40:00 GMT
Most of my animals are in 'head down' mode outside - but this little chap hatched this morning! I had been warned that eisantrauti have a much later breeding season than other lacertids and I guess this is the proof! I have 5 other eggs waiting to hatch so hopefully he is the first of those! [  ] |
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barb1
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Post by barb1 on Oct 23, 2009 22:59:13 GMT
Well done Rob. Have you hatched them before? How do you keep the adults, are they in a greenhouse?
It's been a lovely warm day here and all my lizards were out sunning themselves. I remember last year in October my Eyed male was already hunkered down. My Greens have still been eating this week!
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robv
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Post by robv on Oct 25, 2009 16:07:59 GMT
Hi Barb,
I have not bred them before - all 6 eggs have hatched as well. The adults are in a large viv in the greenhouse with additinal UV lighting. They are extremely timid which is a shame because the adult male is stunning - I could only tell the female had laid eggs by watching her through field glasses!
The trilins/bilins have all disappeared - but I still have a few Podarcis, lepidus and agilis poking their heads out. None of them are feeding and I fill their vivs with about 8 inches of leaves for extra protection.
I believe this stops some of the really damp weather getting down to them -
Rob
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Post by mark68 on Nov 3, 2009 15:53:34 GMT
Well done Rob. I have one pair of this subspecies but they have failed to breed for me. However the Gallotia galotti galotti have bred no problems for the last couple of years, even last years young laying some viable eggs this year.
Where do you keep them over winter ? Is it in this greenhouse ? Is it heated at all ? I think I might be keeping mine too warm, hence no breeding.
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robv
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Post by robv on Nov 6, 2009 9:25:03 GMT
Hi Mark,
The adults are in the greenhouse - I am not providing any extra heat, but they have an additional UV bulb. I have provided a big rock pile and they have dug down about 2 feet. I work from home a fair bit so I was able to really experiment with their diet as they are supposedly omnivorous. I found that they are extremely picky about what they eat - for example they will eat brown crickets and mealworms but not Locusts and waxworms?! Common literature also suggests that they eat vast quantities of tomatoes - but again mine were not really interested. I gave them a massive variety of fruit and veg over the summer - but the one item they went for was toast and marmalade!
The babies are also proving problematical to feed - they ignore crickets and baby mealworms - and I have yet to see them eat any fruit/vegetable matter. So far all they seem to want is Jam(!) and fruitflies. Even then they do not appear massively interested in the food in the way that other baby lacertas do. I have tried increasing the temperature and it deosn't appear to make any difference.
I need to give them some sort of dormant period - but I am hesitiating to do so because I doubt very much whether they would survive a prolonged period. One suggestion is that the climatic conditions in the UK (even though the babies are indoors) could be triggering this behaviour.
Will keep plugging away - any suggestion you may have on baby husbandry for these guys would be welcome!
One other note is that even at this young age the sexual dimporphism is startling clear. The colouration and markings are quite different between the male and females.
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Post by mark68 on Nov 12, 2009 20:24:21 GMT
To be honest because I have so many lizards, I tend to chuck in food and let them get on with it. Gallotia can be very secretive, I rarely see them eat. Mine live mostly on morio worms I bred myself. That means I can feed morios that are like mini mealworm size and larger. I think they must also be eating red runner roaches and some normal mealworms too (the later only for small Gallotia). I have only just started to breed some crickets again now so I haven't tested mine on those yet.
I haven't been giving them fruit like I should. I will try some local fig jam tommorow for them !
I find Gallotia tend to grow slowly for a while then later they seem to put on alot of growth later on. My Gallotia g.galloti are not cooled anything like your adults yet they bred well. So I would give the young a gentle hibernation this year. I have not had good survival in young, that I couldn't find in outdoor enclosures, that hibernated outdoors, when i didn't want them to.
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