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Post by lizzerd on Apr 21, 2010 19:02:41 GMT
Hi all
I am new to this forum so would like to introduce myself. I first started keeping lizards outdoors in the early eighties, but have not done so for the last four or five years. Now I want to rekindle the old hobby restore my now shabby overgrown enclosures and restock them. I would like to know what spices are successfully being kept outdoors all year round in the UK and what is available these days.
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Post by barb1 on Apr 22, 2010 16:16:24 GMT
Hi Lizzerd
Welcome to the site. Please do continue to post, it helps us all to keep the site alive with new stuff.
Some of us keep Lacertids in the UK. I keep Greens outside, newts etc. Other guys would have different species if they live abroad.
I am sure you will get some more posts as the days go by.
B.
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Post by viridis on Apr 22, 2010 16:56:31 GMT
If you were keeping herps back then there was a far more diverse list of species available.Animals were still being imported from Italy,Spain and Turkey.These days it is captive bred and tends to be Wall Lizards,Green Lizards and Eyed Lizards,although you will sometimes find the more obscure animals on the continent.
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Post by lizzerd on Apr 23, 2010 20:18:10 GMT
yes the lacertids were more readily available in the early days but it was still mainly eyed's, greens and trilineata's. I never tried the smaller wall lizards. I had been keeping lizards outdoors for almost 15 years before i discovered that Laudakia stellio brachydactyla could be maintained out all year round. Also since renewing my intrest i'm now hearing of lacertids i'd previously not known about such as lacerta media. So what I,m really wondering is if anyone is having success in keeping other speices other than the usual lacertids in the uk.
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Post by viridis on Apr 24, 2010 13:31:48 GMT
I dont think that they are kept over here.On the continent the Dutch and Germans keep and breed many more species than we do.I had a pair of strigata which are similar to media but I lost them this winter.I believe it was the dampness and not the cold as they come from areas that have cold winters and hot summers.
Of the smaller species muralis and usually subspecies nigriventis and sicula are often available as youngsters in the late summer.Keep your eyes peeled on the various for sale forums.
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Post by mark68 on Jun 10, 2010 7:25:44 GMT
In a few months you will find Lacerta trilineata , L. viridis, Podarcis muralis and lacerta agilis and Timon lepidus available in the Uk.
I will be supplying species such as Laudakia s. brachydactyla, L. trilineata, Timon pater , Timon tangitanus and others later this year. I already have eggs in the incubator for all these species.
All of those should be over winter in the UK ok, but should either be in a greenhouse or a plastic/glass covered enclosure.
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Post by mark68 on Jun 10, 2010 7:27:01 GMT
In a few months you will find Lacerta trilineata , L. viridis, Podarcis muralis and lacerta agilis and Timon lepidus available in the Uk.
I will be supplying species such as Laudakia s. brachydactyla, L. trilineata, Timon pater , Timon tangitanus and others later this year. I already have eggs in the incubator for all these species.
All of those should be over winter in the UK ok, but should either be in a greenhouse or a plastic/glass covered enclosure.
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Post by lizzerd on Jun 16, 2010 17:37:56 GMT
Hi Mark,
looking forward to seeing what becomes available. what is your view on keeping brachydactyla with lacerta's, I did so for many years with no problems but have recently heard thy should not be housed together
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Post by Iowarth on Jun 17, 2010 19:15:11 GMT
Hi Lizzerd
I have been keeping various lacertids and L.s. brachydactyla for many years. My experience has shown that keeping them with small lacertas such as Podarcis spp together results in fat brachydactyla and missing podarcis. I did keep the brachys with Green lizards for quite a while but the brachys established that Green Lizard tails were a renewable food source. So, simply, nowadays I don't mix them.
I noted earlier that you mention keeping L. s. brachydactyla outdoors. They are sturdy enough to cope with our temperatures in an unheated greenhouse but won't do well outdoors - dampness is biggest problem.
All the best
Chris
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Post by mark68 on Jun 20, 2010 8:55:03 GMT
Hi Mark, looking forward to seeing what becomes available. what is your view on keeping brachydactyla with lacerta's, I did so for many years with no problems but have recently heard thy should not be housed together What was the reason you heard they should not be kept together ? If you had no problems then maybe you were doing something right ! I keep Laudakia stellio brachydactyla and L.s. picea with Lacerta trilineata, Timon pater/tangitanus and Aussie water dragons. I do get the odd nipped tail on the Timon, but I assumed it was other females as I keep groups of 1.3 or 1.4 in large enclosures. |
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Post by mark68 on Jun 20, 2010 8:56:55 GMT
Hi Lizzerd I have been keeping various lacertids and L.s. brachydactyla for many years. My experience has shown that keeping them with small lacertas such as Podarcis spp together results in fat brachydactyla and missing podarcis. I did keep the brachys with Green lizards for quite a while but the brachys established that Green Lizard tails were a renewable food source. So, simply, nowadays I don't mix them.I noted earlier that you mention keeping L. s. brachydactyla outdoors. They are sturdy enough to cope with our temperatures in an unheated greenhouse but won't do well outdoors - dampness is biggest problem. All the best Chris Maybe it is the stellio not the other female Timon ? What do you think Chris ? |
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Post by Iowarth on Jun 21, 2010 21:57:24 GMT
Hi Mark
Quite honestly, without it actually being seen, I wouldn't bet with total confidence one way or the other. I would certainly NOT regard the stellio as being particularly aggressive towards other lizards of similar sizes or larger. Mistaking tails for worms (and getting a taste for them!) occasionally is hardly a sign of aggressiveness. Conversely, my experience with Timon (lepidus) is that females can be very argumentative and aggressive towards each other - especially, but not exclusively, close to egg-laying.
My experience with the brachy's "tail-nibbling" could well have been down to a single individual (I certainly only ever SAW a single individual do it) and it is not necessarily a trend.
Inter-female aggression amongst Lacertids - especially T. lepidus is, however, an established fact so unless evidence proves otherwise I think your assumption is probably correct.
All the best
Chris
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