kj
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Post by kj on May 5, 2006 12:22:48 GMT
Did not know where to place this but i was thinking is there anythink that you can keep in an outdoor enclosere with fire salamaders just an idea
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Post by willj on May 5, 2006 12:50:56 GMT
several things could be kept with them if the encolsure was large enough, Lissotriton, Mesotriton, Alytes, Bombina would all be possibles
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kj
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Post by kj on May 5, 2006 13:09:54 GMT
Cool thank you will do you know anyone that keeps fire salmanders in with any other animals in an outdoor viv thanks
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Post by willj on May 5, 2006 14:50:25 GMT
sorry, not off the top of my head
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Post by kj on May 5, 2006 16:06:36 GMT
it cool thanks again anyone else tried fire salmanaders with anythinhk else
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phil
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Post by phil on May 5, 2006 21:18:59 GMT
kj, i keep a group of fire salamanders in an outdoor enclosure, which they share with several other newt species
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Post by kj on May 6, 2006 12:56:34 GMT
o cool have you got anypics and what species off newt are they sorry for all the questions
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Post by phil on May 6, 2006 16:54:13 GMT
yeah, sure kj. in there at the moment along with my fire sallies are, some adult triturus marmoratus, couple of adult alpestris, some juvenile alpestris, a young triturus karelinii, and just while the warm weather is with us four young pleurodeles waltl
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Bri
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Post by Bri on May 6, 2006 18:57:33 GMT
Nice set-up Phil. Do you over winter in there or do you bring everything inside when the temps drop low in Winter ?
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Post by Killian on May 6, 2006 20:03:49 GMT
arent you worried about the newts eating your fire sals? the pleurodeles waltl can be over wintered outside as far as i know!
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Post by phil on May 6, 2006 20:16:41 GMT
all the fire sals in there are large enough to not be eaten. the pleuros will overwinter outside this coming year, i just wanted to gradually aclimatise them as they have been inside since i got them
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Post by phil on May 6, 2006 20:21:34 GMT
bri, there are 2 large and well drained polystyrene boxes underground in there about 15 inches under the surface which are used in both cold and dry weather by all the residents except the pleuros, they tend to stay in the water.
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Post by Bri on May 6, 2006 21:13:51 GMT
Thanks Phil. How do you sort out the drainage on the boxes. At a guess the boxes don't have a base and are sat on a bed of gravel to allow adequate drainage of any water that might get into the box from above. How do you secure the roof of the tunnel down to the box ? Is it concrete, fibreglass, or a drain pipe, or upside down guttering to prevent the tunnel colapsing.
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Post by phil on May 6, 2006 22:02:47 GMT
i use a mixture of clay pipes and other masonry to form the entrance tunnels. the polystyrene boxes are as you expected sat on a bed of coarse gravel and chippings. they do still have bottoms in them but are drilled with many 12mm diameter holes. i will construct another enclosure during the summer, so i will post photos of the progress during each stage of construction, and if anyone has any ideas or improvements to suggest i will gladly incorporate these into the design
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Post by Killian on May 7, 2006 3:15:37 GMT
do you have any pics of your outdoor snake enclosure? would be most interested to see them.
I am going to put my pair outside but want to grow them on a bit more first.
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